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Professor Alphane
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Posted - 2012.01.05 05:14:00 -
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I think having an elected CSM is a bit of a PR nightmare in a political game such as EVE.
CSM's should apply for there jobs and be chosen by CCP based on there experience and what CCP are interested in learning.
Don't mean to single you out naviagtor but you did 'put your head above the parapet' as it where, where you for example voted by the forum community into your job because of your witty reparty and reputation for fairness, I think not you applied and where chosen because your skills best fitted what CCP wanted.
Anyway being that there are easier and fairer ways to poll player opinion, it is no more than a PR stunt by CCP to convince the playerbase that they are listening to them, kinda backfired IMO because it just leaves peope thinking 'if I'm not some EVE bigwig CCP don't want to hear my opinions'.
Also lols at the over defensiveness of the goons, the OP was about the CSM being a fail idea not about any sort of rant against the political power it might bestow.
just my 0.02 isk 
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Professor Alphane
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Posted - 2012.01.05 06:19:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Anyway being that there are easier and fairer ways to poll player opinion, Hey remember last year when CCP polled the playerbase about their most pressing issues with the game? Docking games was the number one item. Do you think docking games is the biggest problem in Eve right now?
Can't say I do remeber that just returning after a long break, don't see any docking games though 
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Professor Alphane
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Posted - 2012.01.05 06:55:00 -
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Effective in what way, have you any evidence to support this, how would crucible be any difffrent without the CSM?
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Professor Alphane
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Posted - 2012.01.05 15:57:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Effective in what way, have you any evidence to support this, how would crucible be any difffrent without the CSM? There is the very real probability that Eve wouldn't have survived to produce the Crucible expansion without the intervention of the current CSM. I think you actually believe that sadly enough CCP was happy to basically ignore the entire playerbase until people started canceling their accounts in great numbers and even then they didn't really grasp what the problems were until the emergency CSM meeting they had over the summer. Oh yes CCP are blind and deaf and needed someone to tell them again what everybody was screaming about. 'The emergenct summit turned things around', Well I ask you ever had the wool pulled over your eyes, it was PR stunt by CCP in a desperate attempt to communicate to the playerbase they are interested in our concerns, no more no less, just a propaganda excerciseBut for some more concrete examples you can thank the CSM for jump bridges not being foolishly removed from the game, supercaps finally getting a balance pass, an actual plan to fix some of the glaring problems with the Dominion sov system, CCP backing away from selling gold ships and ammo through RMT and a bunch of smaller "quality of life" issues that they have been championing since their term started. Or CCP could have polled the playerbase as an entriety and done the same thing, this doesn't justify the CSM or prove it's effectivnessI get that some people don't like Goons and hate to see us succeed but keep in mind that there are only two Goons on the CSM and when I say that CSM6 has been the most effective CSM in history I mean all of them--not just Mittens and Vile Rat. Get over yourself nothing to do with goons, it's to do with establishing a political structure when one wasn't needed and infact having one is detremental to the impartiality and overall effectiveness of the concept of a small focus group.
As I say nothing to do with Goons, can't remeber the context but I remeber someone mentioning EVE Uni using block voting to get something done or get someone elected, thats just as corrupt IMO as anyhting you seem to think I'm accusing the Goons of doing.
And while my opinion of goons ain't changed becaue 'thats how you roll' , this isn't about that it's about stupidity on CCP's part, lack of forethought, and basic laziness (oh lets create a focus group rather than going through the effort of actually finding out who thinks what and in what proportions across the entirety of the population of New Eden).
'CSM 6 is the best CSM ever' doesn't justify CSM's exsistance or make CCP's mistakes in this any less IMO.
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Professor Alphane
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Posted - 2012.01.05 23:11:00 -
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So let me get this straight CCP ignored CSM6 exactly like they ignored the community as a whole.
Then CSM6's kicked up a fuss, exactly like the community as a whole.
CCP relented and it's all because of CSM6's great work. 
Blinkered view point much.
I'd sit down if I where you . If you 'spin' anymore you'll get dizzy and fall over 
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